I don't know... how much are you "benefiting" from the fruits of Iraqi
liberation? fewer teachers for your kids, fewer firemen, less pay for police and
firemen and military personal loss of friends and family both mentally and physical
in Iraq , etc not to mention the shit load of Iraqis that are not going to be
very found of "Americans" at the moment and will they be less or more likely to
join or create ‘terrorist groups’?, you tell me? And what about The 20 or so attacks
that go on every day in Iraq, sure is easy to say they where ‘evil terrorist’
to begin with so they should be cleansed of the earth… but would those ‘evil doers’
be attacking Americans if Americans where not there? Or just going about their
daily lives as I go about mine? They are just people defending their country the
same way I would do if we where invaded.

Bottom line conditions are not better for Iraqis and even if the conditions where perfect freedom for every Iraqi, it would not make the slaughter of over 7000 civilians ‘the right thing to do’, its like saying because 9-11 brought the people of United States together it was a worthy cause to kill all those who died in the trade center attacks. And it saddens me equally.

The only base for my morality is on the reverse context…. I know just because
the US has over 1 million noviolent political prisnoers in jail, has engaged in aggressive wares against sovern nations, probably has more then a
few weapons of mass destruction of its own, has a open declaration that we
investigate the deployment of “bunker busting nukes”, and a leader that much of the world sees as a threat to world
peace …which in the end adds up to very close to how our government labeled Saddam.

But I don't want other countries bombing us to liberate us. It is our responsibility
to deal with Bush’s voter fraud and undemocratic accusation of the Whitehouse,
It is not some other countries responsibility to bomb us take over our government
and say that we are liberated from the evil Bush.

What could we have done or can we do now to deal with governments like that of Saddam well: We could have funded non-violent organizations sent in resources for community building and resources for non-violent progressive reform, Similar to the actions of the international solidarity movement is undertaking in occupied Palestine. Giving realitivly very small percentage of resources to non-violent observers, community organizers, and weapons inspectors would have been many times better moraly and would have much better served the "proclaimed" goals of this unjust-war.
We don’t always need kill people to make change. In fact I would argue that no meaningful change can come about in the embracing the very qualities you wish to change. So when we build up the Iraqi military (how do you think the 300 that quit are going to use their expert traning) it will be the same as when we built up the afganastan one. All this semes so true and logical but at the same time I do belive other viewpoints (like thouse on fox news) are just as valid in that people belive them, I would hope to change that but recognize their truth. I understand a lot of people actualy felt threatened by Iraq.

I don't want all this change at once it is only important to recognize which direction every event is going. The war on Iraqi was a very bad direction to go in, and we are going in a very bad direction in the way we are currently runing the ocupation.